Which is not getting better.

I'd pay you 10€ for a TODO app that improved my life meaningfully. It would obviously need to have great UX and be stable. Those are table stakes.

I don't have the time to look at all these apps though. If somebody tells me they made a great TODO app, I'm already mentally filtering them out. There's just too much noise here.

Does your TODO app solve any meaningful problem beyond the bare minimum? Does it solve your procrastination? Does it remind you at the right time?

If it doesn't answer this in the first 2 seconds of your pitch you're out.

>it has way more sodium than ground beef you'd buy at a grocerty store

We're not comparing fairly here. A finished hamburger patty is not pure ground beef. Did you ever make a hamburger patty yourself? You add salt and spices at a minimum.

A more fair comparison would be looking at store-bought hamburger patties. That's the same category of food.

I just compared Beyond (0.75g salt per 100g) and block house American Burger (0.88g per 100g). The patties are somewhat similar in weight, too (113g and 125g). So both in absolute, and weight relative amounts the Beyond burger has less sodium.

You can make an awesome burger pattie with beef, onion, garlic, a touch of finely chopped jalapeno and some herbs and spices etc. You don't need to add salt.

Yes, and I can make a vegan burger from lentils, onion, garlic and a touch of finely chopped jalapino, herbs etc.

The comparison here is shop-bought burgers or those you would buy in a burger restaurant, which WILL have salt and likely more than a Beyond burger.

Why is that the comparison being made?

I believe the claim being made here is that "a beyond burger" is a thing which fast food chains and supermarkets will offer as an alternative to "a beef burger", that almost nobody will make their own burgers.

I have no opinion about the economics of the brand itself; as a vegetarian I've always thought they were over-priced, and also that it was a shame I don't have a huge range of alternatives, as I actually like spicy bean burgers and can't find them any more*. In fact, because of the limited alternatives in my local markets, I got a kit for making my own burgers from dehydrated soy mince and/or mashed kidney beans.

* I don't know how much of this is "bean burgers are no longer popular" vs. "I moved country and Berlin has never heard of them"; for Quorn I do at least know it's the latter.

> I got a kit for making my own burgers from dehydrated soy mince and/or mashed kidney beans.

Do you have a link or name for this? I also prefer black bean or lentil burgers, but I've been making them by hand really.

One of these, found in the discount bin in a nearby supermarket for about €10-20: https://www.discounto.de/Angebot/BESTRON-Hamburger-Maker-AMH...

There's probably also a cheaper source for the form and squasher if that's all you need, but it came with them so I didn't look for that separately.

Thanks, so the squasher is all I need I guess

People who make their own burgers will always make healthy burgers, whether meat or vegan.

People who buy burgers or eat out are likely to get less healthy burgers, if you look at highest selling supermarket burgers, both meat and vegan options are ALL high in salt for example.

Because beyond meat is junk food, whether it’s sold in supermarkets or restaurants.

You absolutely need salt for a good burger. It is fundamental seasoning in every savoury dish at every restaurant (fast or fine) for a reason.

That is just wrong. I'm not sure what to say. You don't really need salt in many things. Don't get me wrong, I like salt, but things can taste amazing without it.

Maybe awesome to you, but many people will find that exact same construction more flavorful if salt is added

But you're arguing something different now. Regardless of subjective opinion, the bottom line is salt IS optional.

This whole thread is talking about BeyondMeat burgers.

If you're comparing the healthiness of a premade vegan burger patty, you need to compare it to a premade (or equivalent homemmade) beef patty. You can't take salt out of the beef patty comparison and say "look it's better"

Edit: But you can compare it to actual products on shelves. The first frozen burger brand I can think of that would be a good comparison is frozen Bubba burger. If we compare the sodium content, Beyond patty is 3-4x higher in sodium. Beef wins! :) Although Beyond has half the fat.

It's also good for the texture if you let if rest in the fridge for a couple hours before cooking.

Yes but that would make it "unhealthy" for many Americans. So for the health-conscious eater, the real hamburger wins.

Salt is not a health concern unless you specifically have a specific subset of cardiac health problems.

The vast, vast, vast majority of people do not have any reason to restrict salt intake.

High salt increases likelihood of kidney stones

And high water increases likelihood of electrocution. And very high water increases likelihood of finding yourself with a wet T-shirt.

"Increases likelihood" is bullshit at best (manipulation more typically) without quantifying how much, and how much would it need to be to be remotely significant.

47 percent of adults in the US suffer from hypertension: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12196499/

which is much more easily explained by a garbage diet, no preventative medicine so to speak of, obesity, work/family/financial stress. there is a lot of space between 2100 mg of sodium for a 3 piece chicken w/ fries, and ~150 mg to put a little life into a patty.

You absolutely need salt for a good burger, and just about any meat. Almost anything, really. Salt is not optional. Beef tastes less like beef without salt.

Beef tastes less like salted beef without salt. Saying anything else is literally wrong.

No, because salt is a flavor enhancer. That's what enhancement is. That's why putting a pinch of salt in hot coco works.

You don't need salt and spices to make a burger, it can be 100% beef with no additives. A pinch of salt can be like 0.3g/burger and you're fine as well.

I don't eat that these days, my burgers are actually 25% beef and 75% lentil/seasoning. Still under 0.5g/100g

I remember working in a restaurant many years ago, where it was part of new hire training to demonstrate the importance of salt and pepper to a burger's taste. We would make 3 burgers, one no seasoning, one poorly seasoned, and one properly seasoned to the spec, and then we would taste test them all. The difference in taste was so night and day I was shocked the first time I participated in the test. Yeah I guess you don't technically need salt and spices, but not adding them or using just a pinch is not the same thing at all.

I think the problem is lot's of people here don't have much kitchen experience and underestimate the effect.

But anyway, I think a pre-seasoned vegan ready made burger patty should only be compared to a pre-seasoned meat burger patty. It's an Apples and Oranges comparison with little meaning.

If you compare the high sodium of a vegan ground beef replacement with ground beef, that's fair game. The one from Beyond here is actually a good example of too high sodium. I won't judge. I only care about the comparison, not the company.

Let me assure you that you're in the vast minority if you add little or no salt at all to your home-made burger patties.

I was going to edit the comment with this but in Canada we have a company called Metro(grocer) and they often sell 4x fresh beef patties for ~$4 which is 1lb(454g) of ground beef and exactly nothing else.

It's good to eat sans salt on bbq with your desired (typically salty) toppings.

I know people salt the patty while cooking, but the topic at hand is Beyond and their patties.

....which should be compared against other premade patties and how people make and serve beef patties, not against the theoretical option that people could choose to omit salt.

The whole "salt" angle is bikeshedding - no one advocated Beyond for salt, they pick it for all of the other health benefits (fats, cholesterol)

Salt, among the ingredients in the average burger is the most likely to cause you problems. Calling it bikeshedding is a massive stretch. In a talk of the importance of the contents of your diet related only to burgers, salt is the exact opposite of bikeshedding.

Nothing whatsoever is stopping Beyond from removing salt and allowing people to salt their own burgers, as they already do.

The contribution of salt in hypertension and other issues is overblown in popular media.

I'm on blood pressure meds. I regularly check in with doctors on things. No, you shouldn't be eating unlimited salt, but sugar and cholesterol are killing (and debilitating) many more of us.

I avoided needing medicine by altering my diet to tone down salt, unhealthy fat, and sugar intake. My doctor was surprised as "everyone just takes the meds."

Still meat is very low sodium, it is weird to say plant based alternatives have less sodium since both have as much salt as you add since there is almost none naturally.

But then you're comparing apples an oranges: meat is low in sodium in its unprocessed form, but so are all the ingredients of the plant-based alternative before adding salt.

What matters is not so much the natural form, it is how the product is typically consumed.

But of course I see your point that with home made meat-based patties, you are in control of how much salt you want to add, while with factory made patties, you have to take what you get, it's typically not possible to "take away" salt. Mind you, though, the latter argument holds for both plant-based and meat-based factory-made patties.

The difference is you CAN'T get Beyond meat to make patties without preservative-levels of sodium. You CAN get ground beef and make patties without preservative-levels of sodium.

Beyond sells a ground beef substitute which has about 3x as much sodium as lean ground beef.

Did you get the point about how you usually season meat (with salt) before you eat it? Beyond Beef has 230mg of sodium per 100g (according to their website), even a pinch of salt you add for seasoning easily contains 10x that amount.

Also, do you expect the vegan alternative to have exactly the same nutritional values as their meat counterparts?

Look, I don't even know why I'm defending Beyond here, I'm certainly not a fan (as a matter of fact, I don't like their beef patties). But I think the arguments you've made are not entirely fair.

The sodium content is about 3x higher. It doesn't taste 3x higher.

If you're salting your recipe with traditional ground beef, you're doing the same with Beyond. If not, same.

I do not expect or even encourage the content of any alternative to match the nutritional value of the real deal.

A typical pinch of salt is 300mg. Not 2300mg.

When the base product has 3x as much sodium, that is a problem. It doesn't need that much because as you stated, you can add salt during cooking. As a great example, let's take a use case for Beyond which is taco meat. I add taco seasoning (my own which is about 30% sodium compared to a traditional) and now the Beyond version is still roughly 250% the sodium content.

I can't remove the sodium they add. It's not a product I like or desire. It's more expensive. It's less healthy (note how often I mention reduced salt) for myself.

Also, I have been a strict vegan in life for about 5 years. I still didn't eat Beyond (aside from tasting it) during that period (it was available).

I'm not really trying to attack Beyond here, it's all personal preference at the end of the day. I make 95% of my food, from bread to tomato sauce to pickled peppers and hot sauce. When I am reaching for a vegan protein, I reach for lentils.

Yes, sorry, you're right - I made a mistake looking up how much salt is in a pinch.

The GP is talking about health conscious folks

I have made burgers hundreds if not thousands of times and I have never done more than roll ground beef into a ball ans squish it flat. Salt and spices are completely unnecessarily, who am I, Gordon Ramsey? Sliced onion on top of the patty does plenty of work.

You are comparing a prepared product to a raw ingredient. Raw beef is pretty boring which is why every single restaurant add some combination of salt, pepper, mayo, ketchup, mustard, oil, butter, gochujang, etc to make it into food. If you want to convince the world to eat unseasoned beef and onion burgers be my guest but you have a tougher hill to climb than the vegetarians. Eat what makes you happy, but maybe acknowledge it's not actual cooking.

>But instead, all you see are FOMO propaganda to get devs to adopt the tool with no asking if it actually helps the devs do their job.

If (big if) LLMs/AI take over all of knowledge work the first thing you'll notice is that the first company getting to the point of automating all knowledge work will close off their models to the public, not advertise it, and take over every business on the planet.

You wouldn't waste a dime on advertising, influencers, or convincing people to use your product.

Taking over every business in the world seems more lucrative than selling $20 subscriptions to people.

There's not going to be a single point at which that happens.

More likely what we will see (if this happens) is AI companies entering close partnerships with other businesses, building up their models ability to do that sort of work, then either acquiring their partner or directly competing with them.

Similar to how Apple monitors developers having success on their platform and then launches a first-party offering.

This might be happening, too, however B2C advertising and heavy astroturfing is a sure sign that they don't even think they're close to this goal.

The average consumer pays the least for subscriptions and asks most uninteresting questions to the AI in terms of gaining insight. The only goal here can be upholding the narrative that everything will be AI soon™.

>We have strong KPIs on how much we use copilot so I must say woof woof to it every day or so to make sure it shows me as an active user (luckily it only shows the latest date someone has used it in each application).

Ask it to generate a cron job for this.

that would just create more evidence of him not using it regularly. not good

Especially they will require even more compute to get anything close to usable output. Human brains are super efficient at learning and producing output. We will need exponentially more compute for real time learning from video + audio + haptic data.

I think idealists often get into politics as well, but they're not cold, calculating and power hungry enough to get into the important positions.

>it becomes up to a body of bureaucrats to determine what is true.

I think we have a ministry for that.

I always forget, what year was that created in? 1984?

the ministry of silly walks? ;-)

I've upgraded to Tahoe at 26.2, zero complaints from my side. Haven't had any runaway memory leaks or similar that were reported.

Same here. I know some people are unhappy with some of the UX tweaks but honestly I don't notice much of it. The whole liquid glass thing is a bit gimmicky. Other than that, I don't see much difference. The rounded corners on windows are a bit silly. But I don't spend a lot of time fiddling with windows. Most of my windows are maximized (not full screen). I'm sure there are other issues people dislike that I just haven't noticed.

I use my laptop for development. I don't actually use most of the built in applications. My browser is Firefox, I use codex, vs code, intellij, iterm2, etc. Most of that works just fine just as it did on previous versions of the OS. I actually on purpose keep my tool chains portable as I like to have the option to switch back to Linux when I want to. I've done that a few times. I come back for the hardware, not the OS.

In my experience, if you don't like Apple's OS changes that is unfortunate but they don't seem to generally respond to a lot of the criticism. Your choices are to get further and further out of date, switch to something else, or just swallow your pride. Been there done that. Windows is a "Hell No" for me at this point. I'll take the UX, with all the pastel colors that came and went and all the other crap that got unleashed on macs over the last ten years. Definitely a case of the grass not being greener on Windows. Even with the tele tubby default desktop in XP back in the day.

I can deal with Linux (and use that on and off on one of my laptops). However, that just doesn't run that well on mac hardware. And any other hardware seems like a big downgrade to me. Both Windows and Linux are arguably a lot worse in terms of UX (or lack thereof). Linux you can tweak. And you kind of have to. But it just never adds up to consistent and delightful. Windows, well, at this point liking that is probably a form of Stockholm Syndrome. If that doesn't bother you, good for you.

So, Mac OS it is for me as everything else is worse. I've in the past deferred updates to new versions of Mac OS as well. Generally you can do that for a while but eventually it becomes annoying when things like homebrew and other development toys start assuming you run something more recent. And of course for security reasons you might just not drag your feet too long. Just my personal, pragmatic take.

Is your Spotlight usable? Mine literally will not find an app

Searching for Chat yields "Ask ChatGPT", "ChatGPT Atlas", "ChatGPT Atlas" the website, and chatgpt.com. Does not yield the actual ChatGPT.app which I have currently open lol.

Spotlight is so bad that they removed Launchpad to force people to use it.

Raycast replaced spotlight for me years ago. Highly recommend replacing your spotlight hotkey with it.

Closing Tabs in Safari till takes more than a second though. And if you hold Cmd-W to close all of them it just completely locks up and crashes. Still not fixed since the release of Safari 26.

Literally unusable

I'm on an M4 Pro MacBook-- basically the fastest computer you could buy from Apple before today-- and opening/closing the tab sidebar in Safari on Tahoe takes multiple seconds, even if I have only 4-6 tabs open, and seems to drop to 5 FPS. It's comically bad.

It's so bad I switched back to Chrome. I had thought Chrome had a major battery life penalty compared to Safari on Macs, but I checked more up-to-date info and apparently that's outdated.

Never had this problem, been on Tahoe since it released. My safari tabs are buttery, silken smooth.

I have this issue as well on multiple Tahoe Macs. Opening a new Safari window is 500ms to 1000ms. Adding a tab is faster most of the times. But Safari frequently loses tabs turning them into a blank page without a URL. Searching in the passwords app talkes multiple seconds. This is on multiple macs with different icloud accounts even.

I don't have that problem (new Safari window in < 100ms) but I believe you, LOL.

Because I have the problem on 7+ Macs (as in all mine, my kids', my sister's and my dad's (all of which I am primary tech support on)) where if I press ⌘+ to increase the font size on a website, it increases — and then immediately reverts back to the previous size.

Every single time. But only the first time. I just did it on this site to be sure it still happens.

Do it again, and it works.

It's been happening for at least one or two years, across more than one major OS upgrade. ¯\_(ಠ_ಠ)_/¯

Works fine for me. I wonder if you have some extension or script on one of the sites you use slowing down the tab closure.

I’ve been running the macOS 26.4 beta and have none of these issues.

I will say that 26.4 beta 2 was the first time I've regretting using betas since Sonoma beta 2. The Sonoma beta ruined the firmware on my machine and Apple had to replace the logic board; the latest Tahoe beta broke all networking on my machine and I had to erase the installation to fix everything. I've since dropped off the beta train for the time being.

I already left the beta train on my iPhone because I had too many issues getting my grocery apps to allow me to place orders without going to my laptop and doing it in a web browser.

Do you have more info on those crashes (e.g. crashlogs)? I work on Safari and might be able to get that forwarded to other people.

That's objectively false. I use safari all day everyday and have never experience any of that stuff.

This sounds like swap needing to be swapped in and then released. Check your memory usage.

There are MacBook companies, but Lenovo is basically the only other alternative.

I've had Dell in the past, but haven't seen one in years.

It's not necessarily a leaky abstraction. But a lack of _knowledge in the world_.

The abstraction may be great, the problem is the lack of intuitive understanding you can get from super terse, symbol heavy syntax.