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They sound like very loyal people who I would love to have as my compatriots.

Many of the world's most intelligent and caring people are loyal to values over tribe.

Values don't reproduce; tribes do.

tribes don't reproduce; people do.

Tribes reproduce as the people who make up the tribe reproduce.

Values reproduce as the people who hold them reproduce, plus as others adopt those values, minus as those who hold those values drop them.

But the US was supposed to be a country where values mattered more than tribe. "We hold these truths to be self evident", and all that, and if you accepted the values, you belonged. That was an imperfect ideal, but it was the ideal until rather recently. I'm not sure to what degree it still is.


Are we ever allowed to stop being a "values country" and just be a normal one? Or are we at least allowed to change our values? Are we allowed to make that decision for ourselves?

A country based on shared values is normal.

And we are of course allowed to change that, if that is what the people want, but a minority should not make that decision on behalf of the whole.


If you want to change values like "equal rights" and "rule of law", you may be able to do so, but you probably have to amend the constitution to do it.

they can't be your compatriots if you imprison them, nor if they've to death due to working without any funding, also know as "pay"

s/they've to death/they've starved to death/

Loyalty is earned. They don't owe me or you any loyalty if we mistreat them.

There's no mistreatment alleged though: the US is bad because it stopped funding their jobs.

>are older pictures

I am pretty sure it's 20+ years old. Just based on when I remember taking it.


https://web.archive.org/web/20021206055155/http://alllooksam...

Sep 14, 2001 it was taken out of beta.

I remember taking it as a freshman in college and getting well above random chance. 60–70% correct? A year later I took it with my sophomore roommate, from China. Again, 2/3-ish correct. He scored about random chance from what I recall.

I've always thought you could tell. Not 100% of the time; there's plenty of genetic mixing, Japanese people and Koreans share somewhat recent genetic history, Korea and China border each other, China is a ton of different ethnicities, etc. But certainly better than random chance if you've been around enough East Asians in your life.

I agree with a descendant above who said fashion is really useful. That's super true. I used to joke at uni that an East Asian wearing pastels was invariably Korean (this is very much NOT the case in SK these days). Japanese have had very distinct youth fashions for twenty years, as I lived there and witnessed them, and nowadays I can be across the playground with my kids and see a woman and immediately know by what she's wearing that she's from Japan.

China, being enormous, is a mixed bag.

That being said, there's facial structure stuff. It's kind of hard to put into words. It's a vibe you get. There's a university (Penn State or something?) that has a professor who puts his huge survey sociology class online. He talks about this, that early and constant exposure to some group(s) makes you better, for the rest of your life, and recognizing them. Has to do with attractiveness, too.

He brings white girls up to pick which Asian guy is the most attractive, and you can tell they really struggle to articulate it. But he brings Asian girls up and say exactly which one and explain why from his clothes, his facial features, etc.

It really is like if you aren't around (in this case) Asian people growing up, you have a kind of facial blindness where they alldolooksame.


>Some Maya cities were established hundreds of years before the founding of Rome, and they included significantly larger architecture that still stands.

The Pantheon is qualitatively different than the massive pyramids the Maya built.


Every time I hear an argument "The Egyptian pyramids are still standing to this day", I'm taken aback. Like, what can a pyramid even crumble into, a pile of stones? It already is a pile of stones! Literally!

Some of the earlier pyramids did crumble. They made mistakes and learned from them and innovated over time. The pyramids aren't still standing (just) because of the materials, there's real structural engineering at work.

And later pyramids. As a matter of economy, many were constructed from mudbrick and only encased in true stone. Over time, particularly after the casing stones were removed for other projects, they collapsed into the rubble piles referred to as ruined pyramids.

Cost cutting is ancient.


It's a pile of rocks in the same way an apartment building is a pile of concrete blocks. It is a building. It could crumble in on itself. The interior rooms could be destroyed.

It's a tomb. The Pharoah was buried in the very middle of it. There's an ascending gallery [1] and a burial chamber, along with access shafts. The burial chamber [2] is a large structure in the approximate middle. [3]

It hasn't settled or shifted enough to deviate or crush this significantly. But such shifting was a recurring problem in early Pyramids though. The foundation work must have been an incredible undertaking.

> [The King's Chamber] is faced entirely with granite and measures 20 cubits (10.5 m; 34.4 ft) east-west by 10 cubits (5.2 m; 17.2 ft) north-south. Its flat ceiling is about 11 cubits and 5 digits (5.8 m;19.0 ft) above the floor, formed by nine slabs of stone weighing in total about 400 tons. All the roof beams show cracks due to the chamber having settled 2.5–5 cm (0.98–1.97 in).

One day it'll give way and it'll just be a pile of stones. But for now it is still an engineered structure working as designed.

[1] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/59/Grande-g...

[2] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/88/Kheops-c...

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_shaft#/media/File:Great_P...


Erosion.

Quarrying (human erosion), as in 1303 Egypt, and with what the Spaniards did to Cuzco/Sacsayhuamán.

Erosion, water damage, freeze-thaw cycles, foundation settlement (these are literally mountains of stone built on sand), vandalism and other intentional damage, floodplain evolution.

That last is particularly noteworthy as the Nile famously floods on an annual basis, and that itself is the basis for Egyptian civilisation as those floods created what is still one of the most fantastically productive breadbaskets of the world. Ancient Rome relied on Egypt for grain, and even today demographics data and more vividly night-time satellite light-pollution imagery reveal the Nile as a highly-populated ribbon within a sea of darkness and desolation.

The pyramids have withstood multiple risks for many thousands of years. Despite their simple and rugged overall architecture, that remains impressive.


I've been to the Pantheon and I've been to Saqsaywaman (Inca)

The pantheon is amazing and I can see how humans built it

Saqsaywaman is amazing and I have no idea how the hell it was done, even with today's machinery you don't see stones joined like that


There is an article that was posted recently https://www.earthasweknowit.com/pages/inca_construction (HN discussion https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46342950 | 172 points | 55 days ago | 46 comments) The most important bit is in the middle https://www.earthasweknowit.com/photo/peru_cusco_masonry_con... The stones were concave, so the match perfectly only outside and have some kind of mortar inside the wall.

> I have no idea how the hell it was done, even with today's machinery you don't see stones joined like that

Skilled tradesmen with lots of time. It’s impressive, but it’s nothing magical.


I think it was Teller who said the secret to a good magic trick was to put in so much effort that no reasonable person would assume that’s what you’d done.

If you wanted to join a bunch of stones so well that there were no seams, using manual labor, would you pick shapes like these to confuse the hell out of future humans who would wonder how you did it with manual labor ?

https://www.earthasweknowit.com/photo/peru_cusco_hatunrumiyo...

Because if its all just a giant magic trick to amaze us future humans, it worked.


Humans have been artists and show offs as long as we’ve been human. I don’t know if the craftsman who cut that thought people a millennium later would still be impressed by it, but I’m sure they’d be happy as hell that we are.

Check it out for yourself. Its magical

Joining stones in that way is very common in highway construction

Sure it was much more expensive back then to find matching stones than now with laser measuring and computer predication

But it's basically the same process


The old world had thousands of years of head start in the urbanization department FWIW

>not only horrific but the biggest hollocaust in the entire human history

Does this number include deaths due to introduced diseases?


If it does then the Black Death introduced by Genghis Khan in the Middle East and Europe is likely higher.


Marvelous.


Why do I yawn more when I'm cold?


cold = contracted vessels etc = less fluid movement = yawn required.

happens to me a lot when i am on shrooms too


No other "AI" companies released tools that could do the same?


In fact, Gemini could bikinify any image just like Grok. Google added guardrails after all the backlash Grok received.


And they should face consequences for that, somewhat mitigated by their good faith response.


Horseshoes.


Do we believe some countries' spy agencies are scrupulous?


I think people tend to have a range of scruples they expect. How someone is targeted is often far more lax on standards than who is targeted and for what reasons.


Which spy agencies go after journalists?


70% of the journalists murdered last year were murdered by the US's closest ally.

It was the worst year for journalist killings in a long time.


Maybe one of the nearly powerless ones? Australia?

Hmm, nope.


DOGE would have found everything.


This comment doesn’t provide enough context for us to infer what you really mean. You should provide a second clause saying, “if …”.


they took all of the data, including every SSN.

they weren't looking, they were stealing


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