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Meh. This complaint is widely overblown IMO. I came from a T61 and an R61 and recently switched to a W530 which has the same keyboard layout as the Carbon. I contemplated the upgrade for an extremely long time and finally jumped.

After a little more than a month of use:

For one, the "real keys" v. chiclet style keys issue is a non-issue for me at this point. They have the same keypress feel for me and there's part of me that prefers this keyboard more.

The Home-PgUp-Del-End-PgDn key issue is going to differ per person is a tricky one for me to elaborate. I hated this keyboard at first since the PgUp and PgDown replaced the forward and backward keys that I used HEAVILY. After cooling down my hatred, I'm completely fine with those keys and the top row of Home-End-Insert-Delete.

After getting used to those my only long-standing complaint is the god damned print screen button. Why in the hell it's next to Alt and Ctrl is beyond me. It's absolutely horrible positioning and I don't think I'd ever forgive Lenovo for this decision.



I also have been using a W530 for the past couple of months. I find the keyboard preferable to the T60 keyboard that was my previous ThinkPad baseline. Perhaps because I am a Linux/vim user, I rarely touch the top-row keys and don't miss them at all.

What many people griping about the changed layout miss is the improvements to the keyboard. The key switches have a better feel to them. While still not as good as the Topre switches on my HHKB, there is a definite improvement from the T60 to the W530. I also like the gently curved keys. It's hard to describe objectively, but my fingers "rest well" on the key caps.

If you're not a hardcore Windows IDE user (or whoever it is who uses Home-PgUp-Del-End-PgDn all the time...) then please ignore the Lenovo-bashing. Lenovo is doing great work putting out top-notch laptops for professionals.


I really hope they have a "Pause" and "Scroll Lock" button on there, too, because...what the hell is a Print Screen button doing on a laptop keyboard in the first place?


Screenshots? Weird to have a dedicated screenshot key, but that's what Windows has done with it for nearly eternity and I'd imagine a few people expect it.

As for the positioning; only logical reason I can fathom is they ran out of room and you can't split up Home/End, etc. (Then again, Microsoft drops Insert on some of it's full keyboards, why not Lenovo?)


That Windows needs a dedicated key for screenshots but usually has two perpetually useless Windows keys that few people ever use still baffles me.

Windows is a museum of bad design decisions that have become so entrenched it's impossible to eliminate even the most obscure ones.




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