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Google after all has always been regurgitating what others say, true or false.

Honestly it’s just because people who use them are considered to be weak minded and lazy. That’s all, the supply doesn’t matter.

We have been able to diet for millions of years, our body is pretty good at it, but some people NEED that to diet. Yeah, just like some people can’t be put to work. Everyone know that kind of people who are a burden on society and themselves.

It just happens that this drug is more available in the USA, but with the same availability in Europe, I bet there would be around the same percentage of user.


No you can’t say that. Fat people don’t get fat on eating vegetables and water.

French fries are vegetables ;)

Even easier than the gym, and cheaper ! Eat less shit. Simply.

If you eat only vegetable and meat, you’re going to have a hard time gaining weight.


> Notably, about one-third of users stopped taking the medication during the study period. When they did, their food spending reverted to pre-adoption levels – and their grocery baskets became slightly less healthy than before they started

That’s very interesting and it confirms what i thought about this drug. It’s a life long commitment. As soon as you stop, you end up becoming your old self whereas you don’t lose all the gains when you stop paying a nutrition expert.


This is more like someone who is bipolar who is functional when on meds, and goes back to being bipolar when they go off their meds. A nutrition expert cannot fix your brain chemistry, and will power is an illusion. A long term fix is needed for the GLP-1 pathway to properly regulate to the target metabolic profile. Fractyl Health is working on this.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46348199


> will power is an illusion.

Lol, what? No one has ever abstained from anything, huh? No one ever quits drugs or alcohol, and no one was ever able to control their weight before this drug? Well, guess that absolves us of all personal responsibility then!


> It’s a life long commitment

Yes, it is managing a chronic disease, you can expect to take it indefinitely. People suggesting otherwise are doing a disservice. Especially when they are medical professionals who should know better.


That’s something that is possible only in the USA, for the best and the worst.

I don’t know any other country that would allow a truly private company to mess around with nuclear reactor.


The UK would quite happily.

What about the security update, especially for the phone ? There have been critical flaws patched recently.

Agree that iOS 26 is trash and it empty my iPhone 13 mini battery in less time than I need to write it.


iOS 18 is still getting updates. Same with Sequoia. Eventually that will stop and I’ll have to upgrade.

Apple already flipped the switch in December with 18.7.3, if your phone is capable running 26, you will not get offered 18.x updates anymore

Oh, I didn't realize this. I guess I'm screwed!! I'm stuck on 18.7.2...

As an update, I gave in and installed 26.2. I've turned on "reduce transparency" and it's not that bad so far.

I found WebKit to be very power efficient and it shows website just as other browser.

What’s the issue ?


To some extent, Chrome* is the new IE. Not in that it's as shitty as IE ever was. But it's the dominant browser engine and folks are neglecting to test on other browser engines altogether as a result. They see "Works on Chrome" and move on to other things. I still encounter websites with rendering or performance issues on Firefox that Chrome based browsers don't have.

* I meant Chrome not webkit.


You're thinking of Blink, which was forked from WebKit years ago. WebKit is the one maintained by Apple and used in Safari.

Using WebKit makes this one of very few desktop browsers that aren't based on Blink (Chrome, Edge, Brave, Vivaldi, Opera, etc)


That is Blink, not Webkit. Both have diverged significantly enough over the last fifteen-odd years to be counted as separate engines, even if one is a fork of the other.

I primarily use Safari — same story here as with you and Firefox.


Protein from grain food isn’t as well absorbed as protein from meat, milk, fish. Roughly, 2g of protein from bean equal 1g meat protein.

Yes, but the standards aren't based on "the best protein to absorb", they are based on whole diet consumption. Studies like the one I linked to are where the recommendations come from. It is a misunderstanding to read a recommendation for 1.2g/kg (or whatever) as saying that the 1.2g is supposed to all be meat quality protein. It's supposed to be the protein in your total mixed diet.

Your diet contains many sources of protein lower quality than beans (as in the linked study with high level Dutch athletes getting 19% of their protein from bread), you do need to count those. They do add up and if you don't, you end up assuming you need way more protein than you do.


but then how do you know how much protein you should eat ?

if I'm eating bread, pasta and other cereals, I may exceed the 1.2g/kg recommendations but the PDCAAS (Protein Digestibility-Corrected Amino Acid Score) of these would make it in truth closer to 0.6g/kg.

Someone else eating mostly meat would get in total 1.2g/kg protein but also 1.2g/kg when PDCAAS is accounted for.

Maybe it's to simplify the calculation to the average user but it feels misleading, you can't know for sure the proportion of cereals in somebody diet.


Well, that's exactly the problem with focusing too hard on one macro nutrient recommendation out of context of other balanced diet recommendations.

Adding lean meat, dairy, eggs to protein poor diets is good, I love all of those things. Trying to hit a high protein target and understanding this to mean having to eat all or mostly meat is simply over correcting in a different direction.

And meat isn't a perfect PDCAAS! Beef is 0.92 close to soy at 0.91. Milk, eggs, soy protein (isolate), whey are 1. Beans are 0.75.

There's even more nuance, beans are partly lower because they are low in methionine, the essential amino acid that adults needs far less of than any other amino acid and that you don't need more of. In the context of a whole diet, it's not 92% of every gram for beef and 75% of every gram for beans, it doesn't work that way.

Relatively small servings of animal foods add up to a lot of protein, like some other comment was freaking out about needing to eat 4 hamburgers or a 16 oz steak to hit the (very modest) goal of 90g in a day. But something like, 1 egg + 1 can tuna + 1 serving Greek yogurt == 42g, is already at half the goal, much of the rest of it will fill out just fine from a balanced set of other non-empty calorie sources.


I didn’t see it that way but you convinced me.

Also bean aminos might complement other plant sources.

Source?

PDCAAS (Protein Digestibility-Corrected Amino Acid Score)

PDCAAS of soy is 0.91, beef is 0.92. Black beans are 0.75, chickpeas 0.78. You said 2:1, I'm not seeing that at all.

Black beans PDCAAS is 0.53, not 0.75. Which is around 1:2 ratio compared to soy, beef, whey.

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/PDCAAS-values-for-variou...


Wikipedia quotes a source with different numbers. It can vary based on preparation methodology.

> They're not reading carefully. They're not fact-checking, or even trying.

It’s not how I do, and I suppose how many people do. I specifically ask questions related to niche subjects that I know perfectly well and that is very easy for me to spot mistakes.

The first time I used it, that’s what came naturally to my mind. I believe it’s the same for others.


Unfortunately I don't think there's any reason to assume that you're a representative sample of LMArena users.

Yeah, that quote just reads like the typical “everyone is an idiot except me” attitude that pervades the tech world.

Of course people visiting a website specifically designed for evaluating LLMs do try all kinds of specific things to specifically test for weaknesses. There may be users who just click on the response with more emojis, but I strongly doubt they are the majority on that particular site.


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